digress & confess
Join Holly, Nick, and Melissa as they digress about daily life, cultural phenomena, and everything else important as they try to figure out what happens when you don’t quite have it all figured out. Weekly confessions include embarrassing moments, hot takes, and/or anything requiring repentance.
digress & confess
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IN THE BEGINNING, they were called to pod.
In this inaugural episode, Holly, Melissa, and Nick sit down and digress the "why" of the pod; ultimately, why are we here? Jumping from shared interests to fears, past lives to pets, join us for our introductory episode for many such full-body chills.
Thank you for listening queenifers!
Digress & Confess was created by us—Holly, Nick, & Melissa. The show's music was mixed by Nick, with credit to Kevin Macleod. The show is edited by Nick (& sometimes Melissa). Thank you to Brian for your editing guidance. Thank you to Jess for taking our season 1 show photo.
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Digress and confess.
SPEAKER_04Welcome to our pod, Digress and Confess. I'm Holly.
SPEAKER_00I'm Nick. And I'm Melissa.
SPEAKER_04And we decided to start this podcast because we don't have a lot to lose. Why not?
SPEAKER_02We felt called to it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. We felt called to podcast.
SPEAKER_00Feeling called to podcast.
SPEAKER_04Called by John himself into a podcast. We're gonna kind of, every week, we will be getting into a digression of choice. We don't really know what the digression will be until it kind of you know comes to us. But just something on our minds. We're just gonna digress about it. And then we're gonna confess a little cheeky secret, a little hot take, a little um something. Something that's been on our mind. Yeah. And eventually, when love wins, we are going to take listener confessions. So think about something. If you have some shit to say, let us know. Yep.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, let us know.
SPEAKER_01You want to get something off your chest? We're the place. You know the pod. We're the place. That's right.
SPEAKER_04You know the pod. You know the pod. You know. Anything to add? I'm grateful to be here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm just the same. Yeah, I'm just happy to be like doing stuff with the two.
SPEAKER_04We just had to get into our why.
SPEAKER_00Our big why.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the why of it all. What's on our hearts? Yeah. What is on our hearts?
SPEAKER_04What is in our hearts? What is on our hearts? On our hearts. Um great question. What is on my heart today?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I guess for the for the listener, what what can we Holly, what can we find you digressing about?
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_04You can find me digressing about um pretty much anything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But that's true though. Like, you're really pretty.
SPEAKER_04Pretty much I know everything. Which I would say Gemma is a fat. Um yeah, you can find me digressing about anything. I'll probably be referencing some form of media due to my job where I work overnight um from my living room until 5 a.m. and all I do is watch TV and listen to podcasts and consume, consume, consume, scroll, scroll, scroll. So I probably will see like an Instagram reel at some point that I'm gonna just really want to talk to you guys about it. Right, right. Like the Italian mom on the phone.
SPEAKER_00Yes, addicted to her, of course. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04If I knew her username, I would shout it out. But she's a woman who does about being like an Italian mom on the phone, and you're just listening to her like one-sided phone conversations, and I can't get enough. I can't get enough. I can't get enough.
SPEAKER_02I can't get enough. Some friends of the pod, friends of ours, are coming back from a New Jersey wedding right now. Oh, and they Anna and Sierra were at a New Jersey wedding. And they said they almost died because during the wedding last night, A, there were bowls of cigars out.
SPEAKER_03Oh, really?
SPEAKER_02Incredible, big Italian family. And the song that was like, Do you know that's my dream? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's my dream to get married into a family like that. Or alternatively Jewish because they are related.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. Um so they experienced that. That's a cultural experience. That's a real cultural experience.
SPEAKER_00That's really cool.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, Melissa, what can we find you digressing about?
SPEAKER_02Um, anything. Mom, I have a lot of interests. You do know. Uh no, I do have a lot of interests. Some of those I do think are me trying to get ahead of the game and like know a lot of things so I don't seem stupid. I'm just gonna lay my cards on the line here. Yeah, of course. Um, I would say like my main interests though are usually like, you know, I don't want to take what you talk about, Nick, but I'm often talking about books and writing.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_02Um, which I think is how we connect. I'm also talking about makeup sometimes. I'm mostly influencing on makeup, not as much talking about it anymore. Um talking about fashion a lot and the the fashion that's like important to me and made me like, you know, the runways. Um, what else do I talk about? I'm digressing about digressing about the brain. I have a love of neuroscience, I have a love of research. I'm digressing about bad science and how much I hate it and how much I hate the internet because of all the bad science on it. Correct. I'm a scientist.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Um, and yeah, so that's probably what I'm talking about. Or also reality TV. Do you want to know something?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I loved hearing you say that you were a scientist. Yeah, I know like one more time.
SPEAKER_02I'm a scientist. Say it with conviction. Well, I'm kind of not a scientist yet. Well, no, you are. Try it again. Conviction, though.
SPEAKER_00Remember conviction.
SPEAKER_02I'm a scientist. Yeah, my job is science, um, which is very funny. But like I I really do get like pissed off and will go on like long ramps, sometimes with my own head. Yeah. She gets pissed off. I get pissed off. I get pissed woof. Um, you know, to combine my two great loves uh of uh reality TV and science, uh, I think it was Holly that came up with my Real Housewives tagline, which would be, You can't fool me, I've read the meta-analysis. Because I have. So that's what I'm usually digressing about. How about you know? Oh, nice. I know I kind of spoiled a little bit. Well, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_00I was like, because we have very similar interests. We do. Um, so yeah, books, uh, the brain, and um sometimes philosophy. Yeah, like a growing interest in philosophy. I was really digressing about philosophy determinism. Anybody, anybody? Um, but I'm also really I can also hyper focus on a specific author. So, like for a short while in college, mostly because I took a class, but um it was Jane Austen, and I was big in Jane Austen and uh Lewis Carroll, our author of Alice of Wonderland. I was big in Alice of Wonderland.
SPEAKER_02Um don't read his full Wikipedia page though.
SPEAKER_00Don't literally don't, no, don't save yourself, save yourself.
SPEAKER_02Many such cases.
SPEAKER_00Many such cases.
SPEAKER_03Many such cases.
SPEAKER_00But right now, my current interest is Sinclair Lewis of Minnesota fame and the first American to win the Nobel Prize in literature. And it's a big deal that no one knows him, so we're gonna know him. But what I'm loving, I'm gonna love about this podcast is like we have all like I know we have a lot of shared interests, but I'm so excited to hear about you and like how our interests like I'm gonna learn so much from you, and I know that you're gonna learn a lot from me too, so I'm like really excited. I was like, because you know we're gonna digress about so many things. I burst into tears.
SPEAKER_02And I'm gonna think it's great because we all have interests that are separate from one another, but we all have a lot of shared interests. Yes, and we all have like shared values ultimately. Like we all we all care about the same things and care about things for care about things doing.
SPEAKER_04Do we need to pull out the Brene Brown list of the bronze of Brene Brown list of values that we discussed last time?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and we can.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we were also talking about astrology a couple weeks ago, just amongst us. Yeah, that is an interest of mine.
SPEAKER_00Which is an interest of you and mine as well. So we will be able to do that.
SPEAKER_02And I as a scientist kind of like don't really suffer that hard with astrology. I hate that. She thinks we should all die and no, I mean like I think like astrology is something that's fun because it is always true for me, so I'm kind of like, woo. Right. Um it is it's like a fun time.
SPEAKER_04It is ultimately like kind of an ancient practice and belief that's been around since like the dawn of time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So look at the stars, figure out what's up. And we have Nick and I, our birthday is one week apart. We're both Virgos. And you are Sagittarius Sag. Which I've encoded at this point.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Finally.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Did you not know that for the long time?
SPEAKER_02I like knew it, but it was hard for me to remember. Oh. I also find it very confusing that they don't go in months. Like I like like December 1st to December.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's like November 21st, I believe, to December something. Yeah, that's confusing. Yeah, they all kind of bleed into each other. It's not.
SPEAKER_02When I meet another Virgo, I'm like, so you're born in September, and they weren't always, which is that's crazy because like well, you know, there is some discourse about like being um being the sign, but not in its like main month.
SPEAKER_04Yes. Yes, like if you're a November Sagittarius, I think that's crazy personally. I think that's I think that's would that be like the last week of November?
SPEAKER_00But and that's the thing, like if you're in August Virgo, like that's what a lot of questions have a lot of questions.
SPEAKER_02That's for my husband. Yeah. A Leo that everybody's shocked about. Yeah. He's the quietest person.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he is. I wonder what his rising is.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Perhaps Virgo. Perhaps.
SPEAKER_00Actually, though. Because that is how I perceive him.
SPEAKER_04Jared. Jared. Jared. Jared. Jared.
SPEAKER_00Jared.
SPEAKER_04Go get him. Yeah, we are kind of in um the conference room in the lobby of Melissa's apartment building because you know, when you're called to pod, you don't necessarily have time or money or resources to throw together like a beautifully decorated studio. So just know, just know when this takes off, because it will, manifesting. Thank you. We are gonna have a studio like you've never seen before. And I don't necessarily know what that means right now, but keep it in mind.
SPEAKER_02Thank you. I actually, you know what, I wanted digress about something you just said. Manifesting. When did that become big? Because I feel like I woke up one day and all of a sudden people were just talking about manifestation. Yeah. But not even not even TikTok, like pre-Tik tock. I feel like there was like there was some vibe of manifestation, and I feel like I kind of missed the boat. Like I never use that word. And I just I don't I feel like I missed the boat.
SPEAKER_04Do you feel like the rise in social media kind of popularized it? Yeah, brought it into people's like lexicons. In many such cases. In many such cases. That's a great question because when I kind of think back on pop culture as a historian of sorts, um sorts, I don't really know when people started to say it. I'm kind of thinking, like, when did I start saying? Like, oh, I'm manifesting. I really don't know.
SPEAKER_02I know. I feel like it was just there all of a sudden. Yeah. Like it was just in people's vocabulary.
SPEAKER_04Maybe around like the timeline um shift in like 2016. Yeah. I was gonna say that's because that's when the world stopped being normal and started becoming whatever it is now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, whatever this is.
SPEAKER_04Something happened that year.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Something happened. Something not so true.
SPEAKER_00Maybe, hear me out. Maybe 2012 actually happened.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_00You know, it's possible. I don't know. You said it. Just saying.
SPEAKER_04And do you uh I'm let me just be vulnerable for a second and say that I really um fall victim to conspiracy theories like that.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I I really do. So like if you said that with enough conviction and like had like a a a somewhat reasonable argument, I would be like, I believe you.
SPEAKER_02Where do you where do you two fall on the conspiracy theories? I mean, I know you you love a conspiracy. I love a conspiracy. Um you really like go down the rabbit hole of like mother god conspiracy vibe though.
SPEAKER_04No, I'm definitely not like an alt-right conspiracy person. Just to be honest. I don't really, I don't fuck with any of that. Um yeah, I'm more the conspiracy that um Lisa Marie Presley was like a famous ghostwriter for big artists, such as Taylor Swift. And when she died, is around the time that Taylor Swift's music started becoming like not as good as it once was. Um so people kind of think that she was ghostwriting for Taylor Swift, and I kind of believe it. I think from the right, but in like a passive way. I'm not like, I'm not like this is actually out there. I heard it, I heard it said. Um I heard it said, and I was like, hmm, cool. And kind of just ran with that.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I like conspiracies in that sort of way, not in like a like Tylenol causes like autism, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I did take some earlier of my age. He did. He asked for some Tylenol for your autism. No, I asked for autism. That's yeah. But no, I think in pill form. I did, yeah, yeah. But I was like, um, I think for conspiracy stuff, I think I am still kind of in the boat of like, I kind of like this. Yeah. This is kind of interesting. But I do, it's mostly like a thought experiment for me. Yeah. Um I kind of like, I don't know, the idea of that we're living in a simulation. I love that one. I mean, it's not really conspiracy, but like, kind of.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But like we are the three.
SPEAKER_04Do you want to know something?
SPEAKER_00But nobody's really watching. What? I do like that.
SPEAKER_04Let me tell you this, Nick.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Something I some some data I have compiled just now in this very moment is that um simulation theory, I feel, is a conspiracy that a lot of formerly religious people like to dip their toe in or kind of believe. I'm thinking back to like many conversations I've had about simulation theory about like when you think about how did we get here, like what is the sort of the the history, the the truth of mankind? Yeah. Um, most people I've spoken to who like could see simulation theory being real were also formerly really, really religious. I wonder why that is. That also is. Which applies to you in some classes.
SPEAKER_00No, it does 100% applies to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, oh, that'd be interesting. I bet is there science out there for that? Is there science? I don't know. We're gonna jujil it, can't wait. What about you? What's your conspiracy level?
SPEAKER_02I have like no threshold for conspiracy. Like, I don't really believe any conspiracies. I think for me, like I I really don't like having uh no control over things, so I'm always looking to like understand. So like if I see a conspiracy theory, then I'm I'm just gonna automatically try to poke holes in it. Not necessarily because I'm not open to it, but because I'm like, if there's something that's out of my control, that is scarier to me than the actual conspiracy. Like you could tell me the worst conspiracy theory that's like really insane and just like whatever, and I'm like, if I believe that, then I won't get out of bed in the morning, so I'm gonna have to poke holes in it.
SPEAKER_04And I I find that I find your reasoning for that being interesting because that is also my reasoning for liking conspiracy theories of like wanting yeah, wanting to be someone who just wanting to understand like so deeply and really wanting like to know, I guess like the objective truth of a situation. And so kind of being interested in conspiracies as like potential answers. But there are some conspiracies that are like freaky that are kind of like I don't know. I mean, true. I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right, right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, um, yeah, many many conspiracy theories are kind of deeply rooted in anti-Semitism. Uh-huh. Yeah. So your people. My people.
SPEAKER_00The anti-Semitic people?
SPEAKER_04No, the Jews. No, the Jews. Right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know. Okay, yes. Against her people. No, exactly, exactly. I was gonna interject and say, like, have you guys heard about this egg theory?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00So this is like another theory about a theory about the the afterlife, and I'm sure maybe it's called something else, but it's essentially like, and now I'm thinking a bit, why is it called the egg theory? Anyway, basically like this is what happens when you die, kind of, but like we haven't hatched yet, and we're not gonna hatch for quite some time. And so basically it's saying that like after you die, you are visited by this this is just a show, this god figure, kind of um, that like we are in like a current gestation period of some being that is like next. And so, what happens at the end of your life? You like sit down and have a conversation with this god like with mother god, mother god, and they are basically like, well, you were just like just one little stepping stone on like this gestation period that you're currently in in your little egg. And actually, after you hang out here for long enough, we're gonna send you back and you're gonna go into the life of someone else that lived on Earth.
SPEAKER_02Is that not reincarnation? I was gonna say essentially reincarnation, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But reincarnation also has this like idea that like if you work hard enough, you can like break out of the cycle. Yeah, this one is saying kind of like you're shit out of luck, you're like in the cycle and you're gonna keep going in the cycle indifferently until you like live every single life that was on earth. And so, like, it's kind of a way to like show your respect for other people to be like, Well, you're just on a different journey than I am right now. I don't know if you're ahead or something.
SPEAKER_04I feel like you're describing the plot of like the good place to me, kind of kind of is though. No, it's similar though.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that ending though. Oh, I still I think about it.
SPEAKER_04I never finished it, so I don't know what the ending is. But you can spoil it if you want. I don't plan on finishing it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but that's awesome. But that's part of the whole show. That's it.
SPEAKER_04After I spoiled for myself that um the tall guy with white hair. Yeah. And I spoiled that by just like googling things and then the damn, the damn ass Google like AI like questions that come up when you surprise. Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's not good. I hate that.
SPEAKER_00But that reveal though is really great. If yeah, that's like that's something that should not be spoiled. So I'm sorry for you.
SPEAKER_02Well, let me ask you guys a question. Okay. What who were you in a past life? If you feel like maybe reincarnation is a vibe. Uh maybe this egg theory is a vibe. Who who do you think you could have been?
SPEAKER_04I don't know. Um, but you know, then uh this does kind of um tie perhaps into like OCD brain a little bit. But one of my biggest fears, like OCD-related fears, themes, whatever, is fires and gas leaks and just anything related to fire. Um terrified. Terrified of fire. Um and there is sort of talk about um your birthmarks are like where you died in a past life. And I have a very large Port Weinstein birthmark on my cheek. And people have often asked me throughout my life, very rudely, I might add, if it's a burn or like a bruise. And so to kind of put this all together, I'm sort of like, what if in this life I have OCD and I'm scared of fire because I died in a fire? This is like where I was burned. Maybe I was like, they thought I was a witch, so they threw like acid on me or something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I love that.
SPEAKER_04And I'm very drawn to the macabre, like witches and wiki stuff.
SPEAKER_00Very coven. Yeah. What about you?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I think like I think probably I was I think I was like a socialist in France. Like that that really is my vibe. Or Marie Antoinette. I was Marie Antoinette. I don't wish to remember my demise. Yeah. Um, but I like I I could see myself being kind of Rococo or or you know, post-Rococo period in France. I feel like that's in my general vibe, especially like the the like the like the salons that they were leading, and like the salon in this in this way is not a like a beauty salon, it's like a literary salon, right? Yes, yep, yep. Um, and so I think I could see myself being somebody like that. I don't know how about you.
SPEAKER_00I don't know why this sounds weird. And I always feel like I was like a peasant in a past life.
SPEAKER_02Like I think I can I can fuck with that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like a like an Eastern European or like Russian peasant who drowned for some reason. Wow. Because I'm like say more about that. I'm like I've always been terrified of water. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like I do feel like maybe your your fears, whatever um whatever fears you have in your current life that you're living, are maybe representative of something bad that happened to you in a past life.
SPEAKER_02Well, I would I won't wear hoodies to bed because I'm afraid of my neck. So you were giving weight to Marie, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I was gonna say, yeah, you were guillotined too.
SPEAKER_04I have full body chills. This is gonna be a pod segment. Did it give Holly goosebumps? The answer nine times out of ten is gonna be yes. Wow.
SPEAKER_00So you were guillotined, is what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02I remember being in junior high and yelling at Nick and me, our friend Nathan, and he was like, Yeah, I sleep in hoodies, and I was like, You're gonna die from that without any evidence. I don't think people die from sleeping in hoodies, actually. But to me, and I I won't let my husband wear one to bed either, I'm like, take the 'cause I I too have OCD.
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, so you know, and that's where it's hard with conspiracy type stuff, past life kind of spiritual type thinking, is like um, you know, if I do dive too deep into it, I will kind of think that like license plates are talking to me a little bit with the kind of the letter um configurations on them. I will sort of form a sentence about it, or if I see um my initials on license plates or like numbers on license plates too many times in a row, I I do start to get a little bit of a lie.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I'm also very afraid of psychosis, so that could be it also. Yeah. It's hard to know with OCD. It's hard to know. Very, very complex illness. It is hard to know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Why do you think why are you afraid of like why do you think the drowning? Why do you think the water? I guess I I don't feel like I knew this about you. I didn't know.
SPEAKER_00No, I don't think I don't know. I always imagined myself as like a peasant for some reason in a past life. I don't know why. Just like living poor and dying at 29. I don't know. Wow.
SPEAKER_04Maybe maybe you were in Finland.
SPEAKER_00I mean, possibly, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's why you were drawn back.
SPEAKER_00I was drawn back.
SPEAKER_02Just returned from a master's degree in Finland.
SPEAKER_00I did think you are. I was so smart now.
SPEAKER_02He's so smart.
SPEAKER_00Sometimes I really don't feel like it. Now I was doing another master's degree. So that's why I want to feel smart again.
SPEAKER_02So we're working on that.
SPEAKER_00That's right, and that's literally why I'm doing it. Yeah, it's okay.
SPEAKER_02Because you were a peasant before, you knew education.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, look at this. I uh I believe it. But no, I've often wondered I'm like, why is it the drowning part that it was at? And I was like, I've always been like afraid of water, but especially like what's at the bottom of water, like things at the bottom of lakes. No, things at the bottom of the ocean. Don't you ever it's not just crazy?
SPEAKER_02I love it. I love it because you you don't fuck with water really. No.
SPEAKER_04I'm also very afraid of water and drowning and whatever, but I can't swim, so that is probably why.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah. But that's the thing, I can swim. Mom was like so specific about like teaching us all to swim. Yeah. So we all had like swimming lessons for that. Yeah, and we're super water safe. But even with that, I still hate it. Don't show me the bottom of the lake.
SPEAKER_04I don't want to put my feet into a lake ever. Sorry, no offense. Just to be clear, we're Minnesotan.
SPEAKER_02We are not. So that's pretty like sacrilegious.
SPEAKER_00Like, yo, it's a lot.
SPEAKER_04But I just like ew, the thought of like my foot touching like algae or like just icky, whatever just green sludge is in like a large natural body of water. I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02I I love it. I like really I do really don't care. I do find like my fears are not what I'm not like other girls. Um but I don't have fears that are like well, I'm afraid of spiders, so that's like, you know, I'm really afraid of spiders. But like I love heights, I love big bodies of water, I love um, I love snakes, I love rats.
SPEAKER_04I will say that you are not you are not afraid of things that I would expect you to be afraid of.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Like humans. Yeah, that's true. You love heights, you love water, you love like, yeah. Yeah. And that is. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_02My whole life is just like one. It's like I'm on fear factor, but it's every single thing. You and I are truly like a yin and yang. Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_04What's everyone's greatest fear on three? One, two, three. Dying alone. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Alright. No. Um anyway. Why would you say that? Here's the thing.
SPEAKER_00I also was like, I was like, do I say basilophobia?
SPEAKER_02I was like, You said that, and I literally just thought to myself, I was like, what am I not afraid of? Like, I'm just like, oh, I am afraid of going through daily life.
SPEAKER_04I guess I'm the only person in this room who's willing to be brave.
SPEAKER_00You're vulnerable. You're vulnerable. It is a brave space, it is.
SPEAKER_02So did you say fires? I didn't even hear you.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. But here's the thing about it.
SPEAKER_00That's a big fear of movement.
SPEAKER_04That's like I feel like um my long-term greatest fear. Yeah, okay. I would hate to just die alone in my apartment. Oh, right. And cucumber finds my body and starves.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well.
SPEAKER_04Maybe he would eat me, and I'd give that's the one I would definitely eat.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he would eat you. That's allowed. He would chip, yeah.
SPEAKER_02What was it? What was your greatest fear?
SPEAKER_00Mine also would be dying alone, but I was gonna say the bottom of the water, bottom of the ocean, which is uh thassalophobia.
SPEAKER_04I thought that was bold. And do you want to know how I know that? Something else, what um The Sims, because there's a moodlet. Oh, yeah, there's a moodlet in the Sims, a fear moodlet um about thasillophobia when they're in the ocean, when they're in the deep ocean in Sulani, of course.
SPEAKER_00Yep, one of the best worlds. I I used to watch these videos on TikTok because they were like popular at the time where it was like literally, I was kind of like training myself in exposure therapy in thassellophobia, but it's essentially like people who were there was like animated, but you're a person that's like stranded in the middle of the ocean, and you look down into the water, and there's like a giant beast, and like sometimes it's just like a giant statue or like kind of a Cthulhu type thing coming up of the water, and it was terrifying. But I also was like in the comfort of my own home that it was like it kind of like I mean, I'm still working through it, it's still terrifying, but it was like, oh neat.
SPEAKER_04Sometimes I see TikToks, reels, etc., um, from people who live in Florida, and let me just tell you, Floridians are built different because how are you just like paddleboarding next to a manatee and you're like, oh, whatever. Cool, it's a Tuesday, or just like on a hike, um, passing wait, which are the least aggressive? Crocodile crocodiles or alligators?
SPEAKER_00I don't remember. Is it crocs? Is that crocs? No.
SPEAKER_04I think it's crocodiles who are the more aggressive.
SPEAKER_00Right? I'm thinking crocodile hunter.
SPEAKER_04Whichever is the one that has the pointier, not beak, snout. I know.
SPEAKER_02Snout, but I don't know which one. Whichever the two.
SPEAKER_04The the less aggressive one. I do see people like hiking in Florida passing just gator after gator. And they're just like, whatever. That is even just the thought of a gator makes me feel real fear.
SPEAKER_02Well, we're going to New Orleans soon, and I almost asked you if you wanted to like go on like a gator tour, and I feel like I have my answer.
SPEAKER_04I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00It might be mean.
SPEAKER_04I love what I guess like what I think they're really cute on a gator tour.
SPEAKER_00You think they're cute? I think they're really cute.
SPEAKER_02This is again where I'm not like other girls.
SPEAKER_04But I think that there is something in our DNA, literally, from ancient times, to fear things? Like like big reptiles like that. Because they are essentially like dinosaurs. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think I've I think I just like I think they're just so sweet. I think they have beautiful eyes.
SPEAKER_04So that is so.
SPEAKER_02I think they have beautiful eyes. I think I want to pet their snouts. If the if somebody just would like like muzzle them, I would give them a nice little pet. Which I think goes back to what you're saying. Like, I'm not afraid of the things that I should be afraid of, but I'm like, wow. I think I okay. Here's what I think it is. I actually have like no fear of dying due to me trying to make sure that happened for quite some time in my life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Many such cases. Many cases. Yeah. And and our girls will understand.
SPEAKER_02Our listeners, our girls, the we all know. And so I like have like no fear of dying. So I really think like things that should be deadly, like, they don't really scare me that much. Like, I really want to do, I love sharks. I really want to do cage diving.
SPEAKER_00Really?
SPEAKER_02I love sharks. I think they're so cute.
SPEAKER_00I cannot relate.
SPEAKER_04I'm shook to my core. I am shook to my core at this point. Wow. That is shocking to me. Yeah. Wow. I'm listening and learning.
SPEAKER_02I think cage diving, especially like you two, like going in the water and then seeing a shark is like that is not what you guys are doing.
SPEAKER_00That is the uh yeah, that is like top level exposure therapy for me. That would be it. That's like the most anxiety inducing.
SPEAKER_02No, I think that'd be so fun. I think they're so cute. They're so cute. If I could have a little shark as a pet, I would.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_02Wow. I really wanted a snake when I was a kid, and I wanted my mom to get me one, and she wouldn't let me get one because my grandma said she wouldn't come to visit us.
SPEAKER_04Okay, here's a digression. You could be a snake girl. Here's a digression. You know what I found out? Um, in the wee hours of the morning when I was just scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. Yeah, orangutans have to be taught to fear snakes.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Yes. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_04It is so cute. Because they don't, I mean, it's if okay, how do I explain this? Um, in a way that sounds smart and not like I'm just regurgitating a YouTube video I watched at three in the morning. Basically, um, yeah, uh like baby orangutans have to be taught by the other orangutans to be afraid of snakes. So they there was this um, I assume some type of conservationist or whatever, who had like a rubber snake um out in the in the jungle, and he put like a sheet over it and was making it move a little bit. And the baby orangutans were like, you know, kind of sitting there and they were just sort of watching it a little bit curious, and then an older one comes over and has a fear reaction, yeah, and then starts being like scared, runs away. And the baby orangutans, first of all, did you know when they're scared they hug each other? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They hug each other.
SPEAKER_02Crying in my room watching them.
SPEAKER_04So they they're scared and they start hugging each other, and then the other ones run away, but they're babies, so they didn't run away. So then the conservationist came with like a stick and started like beating it essentially to show them like how to fight back if they have to, and also to be afraid of it. Um and yeah, they have to taught, they have to be taught to be afraid of snakes. Isn't that so cute?
SPEAKER_00That's adorable, yeah. That's really cute. Isn't that also true of some humans too? I feel like there's like some kids who are just like well, I'm not afraid of snakes, so yeah. That's the thing, yeah. No, it's like me as a kid, I would be like, other way, other way, that looks like a lizard, and I'm out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, this goes like all evolutionary psychology stuff, which it does, yeah. To be honest, I don't really fuck with evolutionary psychology. But why? Because like there's sort of the vibe is. Sort of like maybe it's this, and then it's like, why do you think that? And they're like, could be. So me, so me, that's why I'm like, amazing. But I do think like there are there are these sorts of things that are like, you know, it makes sense that we would evolutionarily be afraid of them, right? Like it makes sense that I should be afraid of snakes because that shit's gonna kill me, you know? And that's it makes sense. It doesn't make sense to me that orangutans are not afraid of them because it could also kill their sweet little bodies.
SPEAKER_04But well, human babies aren't afraid of snakes either. Yeah, because that that's what led led me to the orangutans because um they did some sort of psychology experiment or whatever, where m most fears, many fears, are learned behaviors. And so they did this experiment with like a non-venomous snake, very docile, trained, non-venomous but large snake. And they had babies in a room with toys, and then they had the snake just slithering around. And the babies were not afraid. They were like kind of looked at it and were curious. One of them was like, did the baby grip?
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm thinking about like in her the movie Hercules when you're like they did the baby squeeze like on the snake's skin, yeah, and then kind of just went back to playing with their toys. They did not care at all. It was the learned behavior.
SPEAKER_02Can't imagine the IRB for getting that one through. That's a really snake with a baby in a room.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, must have been the 60s. That's that's why.
SPEAKER_04Well, it was it was no, it was like a modern experiment.
SPEAKER_00Whoa. But I guess I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I mean, they probably got paid pretty well, the parents. Presumably. I just really what I'm stuck on is that they hug each other with the biggest thing. That's really cute.
SPEAKER_02That like kills me, honestly. Yeah, because I just like it.
SPEAKER_04And you can see the fear in their eyes, they're literally like, oh.
SPEAKER_02They're so cute.
SPEAKER_04They're so cute.
SPEAKER_02I do think like I'm I love animals, and I also think like that plays into it as well. Like I I don't think I have a good res I don't think I'd have a good response if I was out in the wilderness and I saw like a deadly animal because I I would like love animals. So I mean, we all love animals. And I think they're like a little like I love them in a way that's like maybe like OC Diva-esque.
SPEAKER_04Right. Um like I I could fix him. I could yeah, I could make this gorilla really docile and like supports me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like I think I think uh bears are something where people are very afraid of them, and rightfully so. They're very big and scary, and I don't go camping. Why do they have little ears though? Why do they have little ears then? Yeah, why are they fucking? Why do they have little ears? I think if I went camping, I I might die because I would try to hug the bear. But what's what's the thing? It's like if it's if it's brown back, if it's brownly down, and if it's white goodnight, good night, yeah. A polar bear will and I think I would be okay with it, honestly.
SPEAKER_00I've read a couple of books about like the some of the Arctic excursions up there, and they're like trying to fight polar bears.
SPEAKER_02There's that one island you probably know what it's called.
SPEAKER_00Which one is it? Swap barn? I mean I was hoping they're gonna be like small barn. The grim who lives on Spawbart? The dog who lives on the city.
SPEAKER_02No, but squall barn, they have to carry, they're required to carry guns when they go out because they're polar bears when they go outside.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, outside the city limits they have to. Yeah. Wow. Because they're like, yeah, it's dangerous. And those animal animals. But here's the thing, as a kid, I love bears. Yeah, and so I would have been the one that wouldn't have gone outside and been like, that's a cuddly animal. Yeah. Come here. They're really cute. I'm just a delicious snack. That's true. But um, no, same. I was like, no, you look at those little ears.
SPEAKER_02Sun bears? They look ridiculous. Yeah. Be serious.
SPEAKER_00I saw this really great video. So in Finland, people are. I mean, people are always like, I'm a very Finnish person and kind of very gruff and have a lot of Cisu, and I love it. I love the Finnish people. But there's a video that made its way around for a long while where the Sisu, like Sisu's like grit, right? Yeah, like grit or endurance or resilience. And um I also have it tattooed on my hands, so yeah, it's really important to me. Um, and there's this one video of this man who walks out of his front door and he sees like a bear, and he just says, Voy vito, which is just like, oh fuck. And then he and then he starts screaming at it in something in Finnish, and I forget exactly what it was, but that was the whole point. It's just like you have to be like big and scary to scare the bear away. But it was really funny because the bear was like very startled and just was like tripping over itself, being like, ah fuck.
SPEAKER_02They look ridiculous. They look so cute. Do you know what this is uh related but unrelated a digression, if you will? Yeah. When I was in New York last time, my brother and I went to the New York Public Library and they have the original Winnie the Pooh toys there.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_02And they have Pooh Bear there. It's free. You can just go see it at the New York Public Library. They have Pooh Bear, and it like I I was like tearing up in the room. And I was like, well, I mean, maybe this is why I love bears, because I love Winnie the Pooh, because who wouldn't? Who wouldn't? But yeah, they have the original belly guys. I trendsetter. Yeah. Hey, I love you guys.
SPEAKER_04I hey, I love you. Um that that was so many digressions that I don't even remember like what led us to the top of the book. No, I don't even know where we got. Oh, we were talking about our fears and we got there. Yeah. Um evolutionary fear or whatever it was you said. And then animals. And then animals, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because I'm not afraid of animals except for spiders. Don't get near me.
SPEAKER_00It's so wild to me that you're like crocodiles are rad, but spiders.
SPEAKER_04I'm trying to be kinder to spiders because of this um thing I saw on the internet that was like it was like a poem. And it's like the was it? It's called like the crime of being small or something like that. Yeah. And it was like, I if um it's like if if today I die for the crime of being small, I pray that um death is kinder than man.
SPEAKER_01Oh, oh yeah. Yeah. That's really sad. That's really sad.
SPEAKER_04So like little bugs and like spiders, even though I'm scared, scared, scared of spiders. If it's like a little spider, I kind of don't care. But if it's a big one, like a wood spider, let me tell you this. Okay, Minnesota, we have wood spiders, and they are something so scary and unbelievable. I almost said unbelievable. Shout out to Ride. Um, they're so scary. They're like, well, if you're like Australian and you're listening to this, then you're kind of like, well, you're in a different fly in a different spider. But for us in the Great North, they are these ginormous, jet black, moving fast as hell, thick spiders. Yeah. They are so scary, so scary, and so awful. And um, yeah, they're horrible. They're horrible. They're horrible.
SPEAKER_02I don't fuck with even like tiny spiders. Like I there is no size spider that I am okay with.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Are you okay with spiders? You're a boy, so can you take care of spiders?
SPEAKER_00I can mostly take care of spiders, but this time, if they move quick, no. I'm not sure if I'm not chasing them. It's the speed that really gets me. Yeah, it's the speed that gets me.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it is also scary. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I did think that having a cat would be kind of like critter control, but cucumber, mm-mm.
SPEAKER_03Mm-mm.
SPEAKER_04He's more of like a sadist where like he doesn't want to kill like a small creature. He does want to just like kind of taunt it and torment it around. For hours. Yeah, bat it around, yeah. Yep, yep.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_04Bat at it, um, chirp at it, kind of just like put his paw on it and then take it off. And then put it on and take it off. And put it on and take it off.
SPEAKER_02That goes with his personality. Yes, yes. Can you describe cucumber for our listeners?
SPEAKER_04Cucumber is there are many things, there are many interesting things about it. Um, cucumber is my pride and joy, the love of my life. He is my six-year-old cat who is 18 pounds, and not due to being fat, but due to just being large in stature. His body is huge. Um stretched out. His body is probably like three and a half feet long, maybe, I would say. Yeah. He's a big, big, big cat, and he unfortunately has um a very hostile and crazy personality, much like his mother. Um, much like his mother, yeah. He he only likes me. And he yeah, he's just not very nice to anyone who isn't me.
SPEAKER_02He's beautiful. Yeah, he's gorgeous.
SPEAKER_04He looks ridiculous. Um, he has like a white mustache and a little white um dot on his face that looks like a heart. And um a tuxedo. He's beautiful, has long luscious hair.
SPEAKER_02And he's a sadist.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. He's a sadist. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02What are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_04What are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_02That's your that's your son. Like, I know. Are you supposed to not accept him for who he is? Yeah, what's that about? Penny has never penny is my dog. She's nine pounds, she's a black Yorkie poo. She is like the happiest girl on earth. Holly always, I always say that Holly said it best. I think you said um Penny's worst day is better than my happiest day on earth. Because Penny is always happy. Like she's so happy. But she does not notice bugs even a little bit. She does not care. She's not noticing, she's just she's noticing whether you're petting her, and that's all she's really noticing.
SPEAKER_04Penny Penny is perhaps like a bit too trusting.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like I think Penny could, like someone could just like take Penny and she'd be like, great.
SPEAKER_02When she when we were having some friends watch her when we were in um in Europe this summer, uh, shout out Pearl. Uh she was like, Oh, can she go off leash? And I was like, Oh no, she'll she'll go. Yeah, she'll go find somebody and she'll go with them. She'll start a new life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00She's a happy little dog, though. She is a happy little girl. Just like Kafka.
SPEAKER_02Is Kafka is Kafka getting ruder in old age, though?
SPEAKER_00A little bit. He's getting a little angsty. I mean, he's kind of turning into an old man. I mean, he's gonna turn 10 into a man.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I love elderly animals.
SPEAKER_00I love him. The only thing I don't love about him is his breath. He's stinky dog. Oh, trying to brush it all the time, but it's still stinky. Um, yeah, no, Kafka is a good dog. He's half Australian Shepherd, half husky. And he's got a brown coat. He's got the little like eyebrows, little white eyebrows. Beautiful. And he's got uh he's really good at eye contact. I don't know if you guys have noticed that.
SPEAKER_01I've never met Kafka. I forgot about that.
SPEAKER_00That's right, because I'm always like, oh, he's pretty mobile, but then you have cute, yeah, you'll love Kafka. He's really great. But he's really good at eye contact. So like he's not like afraid of it. He doesn't think that it's aggressive at all. He's just like, what's going on? You you are the one that's holding the treat, so I'm looking at the treat and you, and so you're the one who's doing it, and he's really good. Um, he is basically my dad's dog right now, so I'm living with my dad, which is a different conversation. Um but uh yeah, he's basically like my dad's dog at this point. Like he hangs out with him all the time. They're like going doing things. Like when I'm at home, I'm just chopped liver, which is fine. Kafka's happy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And but Kafka comes and wakes me up every morning. He just comes and puts his little button on mine and you know, maybe sit there when he got too.
SPEAKER_04And you know, I will say, um this conversation does lead me into my confession.
SPEAKER_00That's good. Let's get to confessions.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's your confession, Holly. You two know, but our beautiful audience doesn't, and please don't crucify me. But my confession is that I'm not a dog person. I love I love both of your dogs, even Kafka, who I haven't met, but I know I'll love him.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm not a dog person though. I'm like, you know, I don't I don't want a dog licking me, jumping on me. I like to pet dogs, but like kind of in a limited way, because when my hand's gonna smell bad and feel oily after.
SPEAKER_00Oh okay. Like arm's length.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love dogs at an arm's length. I love to look at them. I love to talk to them. I love, you know, some like a little ornament. Some light convers some not conversation, some well, even that. Some light conversation. Some light conversation, but light um contact with them. And that's, you know, kind of with um my friends' dogs or a dog in public I feel called to, because I don't feel called to all dogs.
SPEAKER_02We we we got coffee a week or two ago, and you felt called to this very beautiful, sweet, like golden retriever.
SPEAKER_04Oh my gosh, there was a golden retriever, so gorgeous and sweet, and just I feel like I could have taken her. Yeah. I feel like she just came from the salon, she was so soft, she was so silky, and I was staring at her from across the coffee shop the whole time. And when we left, I said, I have to ask to pet that dog. I just felt so called to her. And you know what? I like got down to her level, of course, and started petting her, and she just kind of like sat in my lap a little bit and just let me hug her.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it was just so docile and gentle and sweet. So sweet. Her name was Finley, I still remember. Yeah, but otherwise, yeah, not a dog person. When I see a crusty white dog, um, I'm not gonna tell you what my thought process is. I'll just kind of keep that to myself. I'll keep that to myself. So so sorry to anyone listening, but I'm a cat girl through and through.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And let me just go on this digression, uh digression of my canvas.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm in, I'm in.
SPEAKER_04Something that really makes me mad.
SPEAKER_00What is it?
SPEAKER_04Many dog people are always like, ew, cats, or people who don't like cats, I should say. Not necessarily dog people, but cat haters are always like cat smell. Do cat owners not know that their house smells? Hey, do dog owners not know that their house smells like a Frito? Every surface in their home smells like a Frito and is covered in an oily residue. Yeah. Okay. If you are a pet owner and you're not clean, your house is gonna stink no matter what kind of pet is in it. And that's what I have to say on that.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Don't ever insult my son, ever again. Don't ever tell me he smells. Thank you. No. He doesn't.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_04And neither does my home. Thank you. No.
SPEAKER_00Um, my confession is also related. Like, like, I think ferrets are really cute, but owning a ferret, I think, is kind of really gross. Like, I don't know if you've ever been to a home in the same way. If you've ever been to like a home where a ferret lives, the whole house smells like ferret.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, hamster cage. Yeah. Yeah. My elementary school best friend had a ferret.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna be so real with you two.
SPEAKER_00Khalifa.
SPEAKER_04I know what a ferret is, but I like can't visualize what it looks like in my head. They're like a slinky toy.
SPEAKER_00I think we we should be better at this, of like asking.
SPEAKER_04Or I think what I'm maybe what I'm visualizing is right, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_02They're like a slinky toy. They're like a long little body. They're so cute.
SPEAKER_04I mean, if you don't like rodents, okay, not what I was visualizing, even a little bit.
SPEAKER_00What were you visualizing? Well, you have to get away. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Maybe a guinea pig, I think. Guinea pig might have been what I was thinking of.
SPEAKER_00But you said like hamster, like it's the smell is kind of the same. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Except like the same like paper cage and they shit wherever.
SPEAKER_00They shit wherever they want and they kind of stink.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, musty. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But there is a really cute, like, ferret-like animal that lives in the northern part of Finland in the Arctic. It's called a stoat, and it's basically a white ferret, and they're so cute.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna meet one of those laughing, little laughing foxes like that.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. I was gonna say fenc fox, but that's not right, is it?
SPEAKER_04I think it is. Is it? I feel like it is. A laughing fox. He got two of them sitting across the box.
SPEAKER_02Cheers, girls. Cheers.
unknownCheers, girls.
SPEAKER_00That's right, thank you. Yeah. Okay, what about you? Do you got any confessions?
SPEAKER_02I don't think I have a related confession. But I think I was trying to think of one this week, and I think my confession is that uh I like when people are cringy. That is my confession for the week. Tell me more. I I wish people would be cringier more. Like I think we're kind of being cringe right now. So I can screenshot their Instagram stories and send it to you. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, why are we being cringe?
SPEAKER_02Like more sincerely for me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, but why are we being cringe right now? Is it because we're podcasting? Putting yourself out there, I think.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I think putting yourself out there on the internet now is like it's perceived as cringe, and I think like I think we should just be cringy more. Like, I think we should get over the cringe. Yeah, um, and I've been thinking about this a lot lately because I do think that everything I do is cringy. But I don't know, I think we should be getting over the cringe and and yeah.
SPEAKER_04Bring back authenticity, bring back authenticity. And I completely agree with the point you're saying. Um, but I also do like when people are cringy in a way that I can kind of privately laugh at. Yes. Um, I'll be I'll be honest. Hey, that's my confession.
SPEAKER_02That's number two. I think there's also a difference though about privately laughing about something and publicly laughing about something that's cringy. Yes. I think those are two different things. Because like, you know, it doesn't hurt me. I mean, it hurts me in in spirit if you send this podcast to your friend and cringe at it. Yeah. But if you comment something mean, like obviously that's yeah.
SPEAKER_04If you're if you're kind of like someone we went to high school with, if you're like one of our ops, of which you know we probably have many, um, and you're kind of like, oh my god, listen to this shit.
SPEAKER_02Just rate and review.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, just rate and review, hon. Leave a review.
SPEAKER_00Here's the thing. If you're gonna be doing that at our age, like exactly well, and I think it comes from age.
SPEAKER_02Like, I think that's a good point. Like, I think as I'm getting older, like even today, Nick brought like I he brought over these DVDs of the skits we made when we were young. And I'm very sad because we couldn't figure out how to watch them because we whatever. Whatever. Because of the year is 2025. We'll figure it out. But um I think you know, 10 years ago, I would not have wanted to watch those because I would cringe at myself. But now it's like really sweet to me. It's like that's something that we were doing. We're having so much fun and we were like doing creative. And like I I think as I get older I I cringe less at things. Yeah, same.
SPEAKER_04I agree, especially like I don't know. I kind of think when I turned 30, something sort of switched in my brain where I was like, that cringe little 14-year-old recording videos in my room who still lives inside me. It is actually, in fact, the core of who I am.
SPEAKER_00And it's uh she's with us in the room right now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she's with us.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So I guess my closing statement would be free yourself from the from the chains of of embarrassment. You know? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Post it. Yeah, post it.
SPEAKER_04Just do it. Nike was really kind of onto something. With that. And I think about that all the time. Literally just do it. Right. Like literally just do it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Post it. Be cringe. Um do the things you like.
SPEAKER_01Do the things you like.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And yeah, I don't know. Feed feed the um anxious, insecure, like 13-year-olds inside of you. Treat treat that person like as if they are not you. You know, if you saw kind of like uh an anxious, unsure little 12-year-old, like niece or nephew of yours or cousin or something, all you would want to do is be like so nice and so sweet, supportive, so gentle, and supportive. Yeah. Yeah. And that person is still lives inside you. So be kind to them and like and subscribe.
SPEAKER_02Ultimately. Don't forget to hit that five-star review.
SPEAKER_04Hey, or or one or two, because we gotta know your honest feedback. Yeah. I don't want to see it, but I'll look at it. I'll be the one to carry that burden.
SPEAKER_02You're carrying the burden for all of us.
SPEAKER_04And I'll fight with them in our subreddit, in our snark subreddit.
SPEAKER_02Can't wait.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'll be there fighting with them.
SPEAKER_02That's right, yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Well, thank you for joining us. We'll see you next time.